July 1, 2011 / Uncategorized

Women Politicans and Gaffes – double standard?

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h/t to The Daily Caller.

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  • yttik

    Yep, great video!

    There is not a woman on this planet that is dumber than a man we haven’t already elected sometime, somewhere. The excuse “girls are dumb” should no longer work in 2011, especially after the last few presidents this country has seen.

    When Palin goes toe tapping in the men’s room looking for male prostitutes or starts emailing photos of her private parts to strangers, or slices up somebody’s face with a beer bottle, than we’ll talk about her being stupid. Until then, I don’t want to hear it.

    By the way, they just asked Michelle Bachmann if she was a flake. Have we ever asked a male candidate if he was a flake?? Nope, but we sure have elected some of them.

  • yttik –
    fortunately, Wallace had the good sense to apologize for “flake”:
    http://hotair.com/archives/201.....-question/

  • anna

    Amy, I found Chris Wallace semiserious, more like sorry for the misunderstanding. Like just wanting to quote someone and forgot to actually quote. He said he learned something, let’s hope it was the right thing he learned.

  • Amy Fried

    I am a political scientist who teaches a women and politics class and is involved in a NEW Leadership program and think you folks are off track. If you are going to argue that women politicians are mistreated because they get criticized for making and then defending false statements — in other words, should not to be expected to be treated like adults — then you lose credibility for your organization and undermine women politicians.

    Of course all politicians make mistakes. But the adult thing to do is to admit it and move on. Michelle Bachmann has not done that with numerous statements, including on John Quincy Adams, and there is considerable evidence that she believes a whole lot of things that just aren’t so. It is the responsibility of citizens and the media to criticize and vet candidates.

    By the way, it’s also simply bizarre for you to lump Obama throwing a baseball badly and mixing up words with those who make blatantly false statements and defend them.

    I strongly support helping women succeed in politics, but your approach strikes me as wrong-headed.

  • I find it shocking and disturbing Amy Fried that you teach political science, and yet have read the well publicized research on the double standards women politicians face when they run for office. That is truly a disservice to your students and college. Which university do you work for?

    The parody above, and yes it is a parody, is meant to show the amounts of gaffes that go uncovered by our media – and the double standard. Women candidates are presumed “unqualified” and men “qualified”.

    Gee, I am so disheartened that you are in academia and seem to have no idea what occurs in the real world, or are not curious enough to want to understand before you teach young minds.

  • Bruce Nahin

    Ms Fried, were it simply his inability to throw a ball 90ft you’d be right-but the double standard exists…for example just this week while Wallace was busy calling Bachman a flake and other press making similar statements, no one questions Obama mistaking his daughters ages, the fact that he was wrong when he said at a military ceremony that he gave the Cong Medal of Honor to a survivor of that division, when in fact the guy was dead, and joking about shovel ready projects etc. Where was this reported along with the 57 states,the language of Austria is Austrian and other Obama gaffes-need we discuss Biden three letter word jobs and his other gaffes and lies to make the point…the media is out to get women politicians and if you truly teach our youth you had best get a dose of reality before the next semester starts

  • Bruce Nahin

    Ms Fried, were it simply his inability to throw a ball 90ft you’d be right-but the double standard exists…for example just this week while Wallace was busy calling Bachman a flake and other press making similar statements, no one questions Obama mistaking his daughters ages, the fact that he was wrong when he said at a military ceremony that he gave the Cong Medal of Honor to a survivor of that division, when in fact the guy was dead, and joking about shovel ready projects etc. Where was this reported along with the 57 states,the language of Austria is Austrian and other Obama gaffes-need we discuss Biden three letter word jobs and his other gaffes and lies to make the point…the media is out to get women politicians and if you truly teach our youth you had best get a dose of reality before the next semester starts

  • Amy Fried

    Dear Ms. Siskind,

    As I left my real e-mail address, I’m sure you know at which university you can find me. I know the research you mentioned very well and will include it when I teach my Women and Politics course this fall. (I do wonder why you have decided I don’t know what occurs in “the real world.” Is it because I disagree with you? As an aside, I would not venture to use such a characterization myself, but, hey, it’s your organization, your blog.)

    Yes, there are double standards in how women and men are treated in politics. However, this does not obviate the responsibility to make credible, fair criticisms of both male and female candidates. Women politicians deserve criticism for making and then defending false statements and men should not be pilloried for slips of the tongue. Doing otherwise would be to adopt different standards, something that I have found that today’s undergraduates find quite troublesome.

    Making more progress in confronting and overcoming sexism and mistreatment of women is essential. It becomes more difficult if we claim criticism is unfair when it is not, for then people are less likely to listen when we point to highly problematic episodes. Since we agree on our broad goal, I hope we can have a civil discussion about these matters.

  • anna

    to me the arguments around misstatements whether John Quincy Adams qualifies as founding father and who was warned by Paul Revere’s ride appear as minor compared to the silencing of female founders / heroes in statements made over and over by male candidates. who mentions the shutting out of women’s voices and we know that at least John Adams was in discussion with his wife Abigail. no one mentions the historic ride of Sybil Ludington, which was at last equally important as Paul Revere’s ride. these are the major misstatement in my view.

  • Bes

    Ms Fried: The way I see it is the Corporate Media never let the women candidates get to the issues because they obsess over ridiculous minutiae. I don’t give a rats ass if any candidate can recite 200 year old history on the spot because they aren’t running to represent my high school in the local history bee. They are running to lead the country and so get past the BS and lets hear what they have to say about policy and current problems. We do have actual problems. The country has built up crushing debt. The financial institutions are run like gambling casinos with The People standing by to back up the elitists if their bets go bad (of course the elitists keep all the money if the bets are good and they probably don’t even pay taxes on it). The actual unemployment is around 20%. Something like a third of all people owe more money on their home than the house is worth. Medicare is not sustainable. People still can’t get health care. The last Democrat primary was as corrupt as anything you find in a Banana Republic. This is the real world. And the political parties stand by jealously guarding their power from the other guy and trying to make sure the women can’t participate at all. And the Media are completely irrelevant. Under these circumstances obsessing about historical minutia is beyond ridiculous.

  • There is an immense and well documented double standard which impacts women leaders. Male politicians would not be asked the questions that Bachmann was asked, and the media certainly would not be fixated.

    How much did the media discuss when Obama claimed his father served in WWII – did you hear about that in the media?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4jnlkxOaw

    It’s thoroughly disheartening that young minds are in your class.

  • Amy Fried

    Ms. Siskind,

    I must say that I can’t imagine that the press would give that remark from Obama any attention, since he talked many, many times about his grandfather’s service in World War II, and referencing his father was clearly a slip of the tongue. After all, part of Obama’s 2008 stump speech referred to his maternal grandfather marching in Patton’s Army.

    If a woman was criticized for a similar slip of the tongue that was overlooked when made by a man, yes, that would be a double standard and it would be wrong. But you were defending a very different kind of situation — a false statement which the speaker repeatedly asserted was actually what she meant to say and continued claims that the falsehood was correct. In contrast, when someone has an inadvertent slip of the tongue, she or he does not defend the mistake but rather acknowledges the error.

    These two types of rhetorical situations are fundamentally different; it would be a double standard to treat such different things as if they are the same.

    I do not get what you mean when you worry about “young minds,” but it seems to imply that undergraduates are highly malleable creatures. This cannot be further from the truth. Moreover, not only is it not my job to turn undergraduates into followers of my vision of the world, but these people have their own views which I believe I must respect.

    I suppose we have said as much to each other as makes sense and we will have to agree to disagree.

  • Kali

    Amy Fried, why do you keep refering to Obama’s gaffes as “slips of the tongue” and women politician’s gaffes as “false statements”? When Obama claimed that there are 57 states, that was a slip of the tongue? When he didn’t know his daughters’ ages, that was a slip of the tongue? (A woman in that position would be roasted alive as a bad mother unfit for human society). When he said that they speak austrian in Austria, that was a slip of the tongue? By minimizing Obama’s mistakes and magnifying those of the women politicians, you are showing yourself to be someone with sexist double standards. It is a disservice to our daughters that you are teaching them such sexism in the name of teaching them about “women and politics”. It is no wonder that the younger generation of women think they are being so progressive by going around in “Sarah Palin is a c**t” T-shirts.