March 24, 2010 / Politics, Unity

Why Governor Sarah Palin Should Support Women

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The opinions expressed herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of The New Agenda.

Today I saw a very interesting list.  It was a list of political incumbents in Congress that Gov. Sarah Palin has created that she believes must not be re-elected in November.  It is a list of Democrats who voted for the Health Care Reform monstrosity bill.  I understand the outrage, I understand the frustration.  I understand because I am a life-long Republican and mandates make me crazy.  When the government makes demands on how I can use my hard earned money AND they accost us with a law penalizing women while overlooking men, it makes my blood boil!

I would hope that Gov. Palin and her supporters understand the disappointment coming from the women in the Democratic Party regarding the garbage bill signed into law yesterday.  The National Organization for Women called it “a tragic setback for women’s rights.”  They don’t like it, we don’t like it.  They are just as disappointed in their representation in the House and Senate as we are; for different reasons but discourse is discourse.

This list that Gov. Palin has put forth is understandable from one aspect, but disturbing from another.  More than half of the incumbents on her list are women.  I truly believe that if there had been more equal representation of women (conservative and liberal) in the House and Senate that voting would have taken a very different course.

Gov. Palin you have an opportunity staring you in the face right now.  You have the opportunity to rally Republican women to run for those spots you want to replace. You have the opportunity to move women forward and increase our numbers in Congress.  You, Gov. Palin have the single opportunity to set the tone and make 2010 the year of the woman for the US Government.  We want representatives to fight for our rights as equally as they seem to be fighting for men.  My suggestion is that if you wish to remove incumbents that you work twice as hard to find replacements that have women’s interests in the forefront.  Men have claimed to hold that interest, even our current President, but their word doesn’t seem to carry much weight when push comes to shove.  Investment in women representatives is what is needed and I personally challenge you, Gov. Palin to make such an investment.  This one change to your priorities will come back to you ten fold in support. I guarantee it.

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  • http://Hillarysworld.activeboard;com Hillarysmygirl16

    I agree with you that Sarah needs to encourage and then support Republican women rather or not they are Conservative or Moderate.
    Women are going to need to work together if they want to break that glass ceiling. No two women are going to agree with each other but they need to find a way to work through their differences.

  • Sandra S.

    I love this post. *applause*

  • yttik

    Yes, absolutely! I am disappointed that women candidates are once again the soft targets. Both parties always go after them when there is accountability to spread around. At that point everybody suddenly starts believing in equality. Except that’s a myth, women only make up 17% of our representation and yet they are always assigned 3/4 of the blame.

    I wrote to Palin and I also confronted a couple of blogs about this. If you’re going to target a female candidate, I expect you to replace her with another one. Women will be going backwards after this November house cleaning and it pisses me off. We’re so far backwards right now, it isn’t even funny. Currently the US is tied with Turkmenistan for 73 place in the world when it comes to female representation in congress.

    http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/classif.htm

  • bruce nahin

    In California we have the chance to replace one woman with another Boxer for Fiorina- a classic example of Hillarysmygirl’s suggestion above. While on the subject of California, we can Replace Arnold with a woman also- go Meg.

  • BevWKY

    I have been following this site since its start and have enjoyed the thoughtful posts here. I haven’t commented until now but I simply must disagree with this idea because it’s what has turned me off of organizations like NOW for most of it’s existence.

    I will not vote for a woman simply because she is a woman nor do I want anyone to encourage someone to run simply to have a woman fill another woman’s place in the process. Identity politics are what’s gotten us to where we are now as a nation and, frankly, no thank you. Didn’t anyone learn anything from “the Kennedy seat” situation?

    Don’t misunderstand, though. If someone like Palin can inspire women to run, which she is definitely already doing all over the country at a lot of different levels, then that’s great. Fantastic even.

    But once they do decide to run, then they should be judged (as well as backed up and encouraged) on their own merits against the position they’re running for, how they match voter’s opinions and not because another woman previously filled that post. Otherwise, we have gained nothing at all in the long run.

    The problem isn’t in how many women are in office. The problem is in how many are actually running and the gauntlets they have to go through during the campaigns. That’s where the change is needed. And only we, the voters, can impact that by making our voices heard in their support and against the instances of sexism found in those campaigns.

  • jenniferintexas

    Total hogwash. Dumb and Dumber. Pitiful. Ridiculous.

    Sarah Palin has it absolutely correct. We MUST vote out asshat traitors to this country and if they are women so be it. What you are proposing is exactly why black people have the WORST representation out there because their so-called leaders tell them always vote black. NOT. NOT. NOT. NOT. Al Sharpton cannot be the best from the black community and if he is so help them.

    What we must do is support women who are good candidates and good people. If they are not, our support is counter-productive the the millions of women who will suffer due to their lack of judgment and intelligence.

    I cannot believe that TNA would be proposing this foolhardy plan at this time in American history when we are on the precipice of losing it all. Wake UP TNA…wake the F..K up!

  • http://hillarysworld.activeboard.com Optixmom

    Apparently some are reading something into my opinion piece that is not there. I am asking that Gov. Palin rally Republican women to get INTO politics and run for positions. We need more women in the pipeline if we desire more women to be elected.

    It is also apparent from a comment above that the idea of encouraging women to run means that we would be encouraging someone disqualified. Now that is unadulterated Bull Hockey! I am not about to ask a colleague of mine to interview for a position of management if I don’t feel that they are qualified. Women bring many similar and many different talents to the table. I for one would like to see more fiscally conservative women run for public office. The Democratic Party pigeonholes women and if we had broader representation from both parties then maybe, just maybe we could enact law that doesn’t shove women to the wayside.

    Did I mention any specific name above for Gov. Palin to support? No, I didn’t. I just suggested that she encourage exceptional women who work behind the scenes for the GOP, who have been sitting idle as individuals to consider running against incumbents. The GOP has stated that they want to get more women in the pipeline and Gov. Palin’s visibility can be leveraged to encourage more women to do just that.

    But some of you are just sitting on your hands waiting for the “right” woman to come along. How do you know that many Ms. Rights aren’t working for the GOP right now in some capacity (either locally or federally) who couldn’t put the smackdown on thugs in Washington? Until someone steps up and brings up the topic of considering entering the political arena then Ms. Right will keep on just working behind the scenes.

    Gov. Palin can make a choice to move women forward as a unit, not as individuals. She has a wonderful opportunity to be inclusive to women and that will go a very very long way in terms of support for her future.

  • http://thenewagenda.net/ Amy Siskind

    jenniferintexas,

    This is a women’s advocacy organization and we stand for getting more women into leadership.

  • jenniferintexas

    “This list that Gov. Palin has put forth is understandable from one aspect, but disturbing from another. More than half of the incumbents on her list are women.”

    Dear Optixmom,

    The two sentences above, pulled directly from your post, are what my post was referring to. It should not matter ONE BIT that 1/2 of the horrid politicians we need to replace WHO VOTED AGAINST WOMEN’S INTERESTS AND AMERICA are women. Your statement is clear to me that you are more concerned about gender than what they are doing to women and that is where my anger comes from.

    I 100% agree with you that Sarah Palin should encourage good women to run–and she is. You should read her facebook/website….and let us not forget that Sarah is a woman and she is in the race too.

    Dear Amy,

    And I am a woman and when women elected to serve me vote against my interests I am into getting them out of office and better people–if they are women great but if they are not I am voting for the person who will represent me best and I AM A WOMAN–in office.

  • marille

    we need to address the double standard with waiting for the RIGHT woman, because for a lot of people, a lot of men and a lot of women the criteria are very biased. female politicians can’t do it right for so many. they are suspect of incompetence, untruthfulness and weakness, and their any slight expression of compassion for the weak or poor is interpreted as big spending and government takeover.
    we need a level playing field. we need the drive VOTE FOR WOMEN. otherwise no one will be the right one. haven’t we seen that? neither one of the females in the primary was good enough to take over the incumbent. in massachusetts: are you still happy with your choice, did you see it was not all about healthcare? wasn’t I right once to predict, the dems would do anything to pass their healthcare bill. they ignore amendments like bruce pointed out (no viagra for sex offenders, or no exclusion of congress form the health bill). nothing can stop them. railing up every single vote or action of a female candidate will not get us anywhere.
    we need to join the choir with Amy VOTE FOR WOMEN!

    one last thing, the 19th amendment would not have been possible if our foremothers 90 years ago would not have followed Alice Paul and supported strategic voting. and I promise I will finally write a post on that.

  • marille

    we need to address the double standard with waiting for the RIGHT woman, because for a lot of people, a lot of men and a lot of women the criteria are very biased. female politicians can’t do it right for so many. they are suspect of incompetence, untruthfulness and weakness, and their any slight expression of compassion for the weak or poor is interpreted as big spending and government takeover.
    we need a level playing field. we need the drive VOTE FOR WOMEN. otherwise no one will be the right one. haven’t we seen that? neither one of the females in the primary was good enough to take over the incumbent. in massachusetts: are you still happy with your choice, did you see it was not all about healthcare? wasn’t I right once to predict, the dems would do anything to pass their healthcare bill. they ignore amendments like bruce pointed out (no viagra for sex offenders, or no exclusion of congress form the health bill). nothing can stop them. railing up every single vote or action of a female candidate will not get us anywhere.
    we need to join the choir with Amy: VOTE FOR WOMEN!

    one last thing, the 19th amendment would not have been possible if our foremothers 90 years ago would not have followed Alice Paul and supported strategic voting. and I promise I will finally write a post on that.

  • http://hillarysworld.activeboard.com Optixmom

    JiT I bolded the parts of my message that I wanted to put emphasis on. Encourage women in the Republican Party to run against the Democrat incumbents that are on her radar. Since the majority of women who are in the 17% of representation in the House are Democrats, it would be a incredible tack to replace them with WOMEN who hold the ideals of the people and are fiscally conservative. They are out there but not coming forward in droves to put their names in the ring. Twitter and Facebook pages are not going to get women rallied to run. Bold statements on TV may, especially if a woman like Gov. Palin who has been smeared to all get out tells GOP women that our Country is worth it and women can handle it.

    The fact that 95% of the time the only choice you get on voting for someone is a man who wears a red tie or a man who wears a blue tie. Our system is geared for men by men. And if blame is going to be cast the most severely for problems in our government it is passed off to whatever woman is standing in the vicinity. Women cannot make strides in improving our way of life in America without equal representation.

    You can keep doing what you have been doing and ranting like you have been ranting and we will stay exactly in the same trend for the next 50 years. On a negative course. Then all the women can have all the time in the world to Twitter and Facebook instead of being in Washington and passing laws to benefit the American people.

  • Karen

    I like the post. It does not condemn Palin for wanting to replace women she believes are unqualified, yet it encourages her to search for and support qualified women.

  • BevWKY

    But why set the bar so low? Why simply replace existing slots with replacements when we could literally storm the gates with as many women in office as possible starting from the ground up?

    See, that’s where I think this identity type thinking that calls for replacing a female with a female falls way short and misses the forest for the trees, particularly in understanding someone like Palin and the impact she is already having on both sides of the political spectrum. Anyone who’s honestly and openly listened to her, read her book, her Twitter and Facebook posts as well as what she’s already saying as a consultant on TV knows this is about citizenship with her.

    Political aspirations aside, if she’s been consistent about anything, she’s definitely been on the point that one doesn’t have to have a title to make a difference. It’s just that she also knows that sometimes there is a need and that’s when the individual citizen has to decide whether it’s time to step up and meet the challenge or not. In all levels of our government.

    No, she may not be specifically endorsing many individual female candidates, but she is already inspiring many people to get involved in the process all over the country. That glass ceiling may have a lot of cracks in it, but Palin is single-handedly opening a floodgate of involved/informed individuals, male and female, at all those levels, if people would only open their eyes to see it. I’ve actually lost count of the number of news stories of people running for office who’ve said they were inspired by Palin.

    Many of them are women.

    Does it truly matter that some of them are motivated because they disagree with her positions? Or does it only matter that they are getting involved?

    And this is why it bothers me so much that anyone would think that Palin of all people should be singling out women to support and/or encourage just because they’re women. It would be totally out of character for her. Would she celebrate that they are female and are involved in the process? Heck, yeah. If for no other reason because she knows – intimately – the battles they will face. More than that, though, because, again, she supports involved citizenship. But would that mean she would support/endorse them specifically simply because they’re female? No, not unless she had a specific policy reason to – just like any other politician.

    To expect her to do otherwise is to expect her to be other than who she is and significantly less than what she should be for that matter.

  • Karen

    Bev, I don’t know if I agree with everything, but I certainly like your idea of encouraging more women to run for political office rather than just voting for women who are already in the campaign. Peronally, I think TNA should do both because both will be beneficial.

  • jenniferintexas

    Marille,

    I agree with your statement and I would add that a decent man is often praised as WONDERFUL when a WONDERFUL woman is faulted.

    Please note that I am ONE MILLION percent behind pushing women to the front of the bus. In fact, only letter SALON ever ran of mine was one I wrote at the beginning of the primary and it was about how now is the time for women to step to the front of the bus. Women should STOP thinking about panty lines and thought thinking about party lines (as in political party). Women should STOP watching SEX in da City crap and start RUNNING the cities. Women should STOP injecting botox and start eating organic and taking kick boxing. Women should STOP worrying about pleasing men and START worrying about existence and then happiness. And as a woman nothing pleases me more when a good woman succeeds in this misogynistic world and as such I help women every single day of my life. every single day.

    That being said, perhaps it was the title of this post and then the two sentences I pointed out that riled my tail feathers. Sarah is a MAJOR feminist and is pushing women all over this country to become active in its running. All she said was VOTE OUT THE TRAITORS and named them–the fact that some of them are women are just MORE reason for good women to get out and run for office.

    The thing about sexism/misogyny is that we have to make sure that we don’t become our own worst enemy. Yes it is rampant, yes it is getting worse, yes it is part of the evil destroying the world, and yes it must be fought with NUCLEAR weapons if possible :) but we must demand that women in power are part of the good group. The line between good and bad must be drawn and not all women are going to end up on the good side.

  • jenniferintexas

    Bev,

    Beautiful beautiful representation of some of Sarah’s heart and I agree with everything you said!

  • Dot Parker

    “Sarah is a major feminist!” That’s some funny stuff – thanks for the lulz, JenniferinTexas! :)

    “All she said was VOTE OUT THE TRAITORS and named them….”

    “…we must demand that women in power are part of the good group. The line between good and bad must be drawn and not all women are going to end up on the good side.”

    Pray tell, JenniferinTexas – what is the “good side?” (btw, “pray tell” is just an expression. You don’t actually have to pray in order to tell me what you mean).

    Please also explain exactly WHO is a “traitor.” Does that refer to someone who breaks US laws? Someone who ignores the Constitution? Someone who incites Americans to attack other Americans?

    Does “traitor” include people who refuse to fight for their country when they’re young, but when they’re old, just blithely send thousands of kids to war? Does “traitor” include people who torture? Does it include someone who makes our country quantifiably LESS safe because of their actions?

    Or is “traitor” just a word you use for people whose politics you disagree with?

    Ya know, some people thought Gov Rick Perry was a traitor when he suggested Texas might secede from the country….

    (not me, by the way – I fully support letting the south secede. That way, the rest of us can finally move into the 21st Century).

  • Karen

    ““Sarah is a major feminist!” That’s some funny stuff – thanks for the lulz,”

    How is Sarah Palin any different from the founders of feminism?

  • Cristina E

    I do not understand Optixmom is proposing to promote “unprepared” or “not qualified” women for positions (whatever that is, remember the Hillary/Palin treatment?). There are plenty of qualified women that can fill the posts. She is just asking that we make an extra effort to support and promote these women, and to be careful we are not tougher on them as we are with men.

  • jenniferintexas

    Dot,

    If you need me to tell you what good is, you are in deep horse sh*t and praying might be a good idea of where to start. My reference in the post above was specifically relating to politicians who are working against the interests of the majority of Americans, who were paid, promised filthy lucre, and delivered a bill they have not read and/or know is bad BAD law (15 states already suing on the simple grounds it is unconstitutional including some NORTHERN states), and are lying through their teeth. Sarah Palin, along with the MAJORITY at this point of America, want to vote out the BAD politicians and vote in GOOD ones. Pretty simple, huh. And good ones come in all sizes, shapes, colors, sexual orientations, abilities and genders. If they are women super fantastic, but if they are not so what as LONG AS THEY ARE GOOD!!

    A traitor to this country is defined (you can google if you do not know the strict legal definition) but loosely used the word to me means someone working against the interests of this country. Right now, the democratic party and the president are traitors, as well as the bankers and a fair amount of wall street muckety mucks.

    Your description of traitor pretty much sounds like the president and the Democratic party at this point, so on that point we are in agreement. Yep Mr. Obama has done and is doing all of those things so why you bring that up I do not know because we agree….

    And as far as Rick Perry goes, if Texas goes rogue under this administration it would be a proud moment. Perhaps you have forgotten what it is to put principle first. You might want to remember it.

    Oh, and for the record, my credentials are as follows: lifelong social worker, VISTA (volunteer in service to America), Andrea Dworkin Feminist, etc., etc., etc. You can’t scare me with insults regarding my feminism because I was born a feminist, I live the life of a feminist, and I will die a feminist. And as far as I am concerned Sarah Palin is the woman I respect the most this year and hopefully for the next few years, except for every single poor woman out there struggling to make it another day. Sarah is morally grounded, speaks the truth no matter what the consequences, is a good mother, a good worker, a good leader, and a good American. She walks her talk, and in today’s world that is a rare thing. When she enters the White House, either as President or Vice President, it will be a good day in America for ALL Americans–especially women.

  • BevWKY

    I do not understand Optixmom is proposing to promote “unprepared” or “not qualified” women for positions (whatever that is, remember the Hillary/Palin treatment?). There are plenty of qualified women that can fill the posts. She is just asking that we make an extra effort to support and promote these women, and to be careful we are not tougher on them as we are with men.

    The problem is that support is not the same thing as promote.

    To support suggests having someone’s back and standing against the blatant sexism and mysoginist attitudes that showed themselves as still so prevalent in the last major election on both sides of the ailse. We can have someone’s back by speaking out against instances of that all the time and every time we see it happen.

    To promote, however, suggests endorsements and that has to happen on a case by case basis and dependent upon the agreement of the one doing the endorcing with specific policy issues or strengths. That isn’t about someone being male or female, of a specific race, creed or orientation. It’s pure politics. To ask for or expect an endorsement based upon any of those “identity” criteria is to slide backwards, not forwards.

  • Dot Parker

    JenniferinTexas: “If you need me to tell you what good is, you are in deep horse sh*t and praying might be a good idea of where to start.”

    WWJD, indeed? I took your advice, Jennifer, and prayed on this situation. I asked Jesus point blank, “what would you do? Would you vote ‘yes’ on an (admittedly) very flawed healthcare bill that at least covers millions of uninsured, including children, and returns money to senior citizens? Or would you vote ‘no’ because the lazy GOP couldn’t be bothered reading a very long bill whose length is necessitated by the extreme complexity of the issue? Would you capitulate, Jesus, to the arrogant, obstructionist Republicans whose only goal is to prevent a successful Obama presidency? Would you deny the most needy among us – the sick, the old, the young, the crippled – because of the “filthy lucre” associated with the bill, aka, business-as-usual-in-Washington?”

    It was then that I finally heard Jesus. He was laughing. He said, “speaking of ‘filthy lucre and working against the interests of most Americans’, do you remember GW’s $1.3 trillion tax cut for the rich that he shoved through Congress that wasn’t paid for, that added to the deficit, and helped tank the economy? What about that war he lied you guys into that tripled the deficit and killed tens of thousands of people?“

    Oh how we laughed, Jesus and I. Then we cried. Then He said to tell you to stop calling people ridiculously simplistic words like “good” and “bad.” Also to stop watching Fox News (they’re definitely “bad” and that’s His word, not mine).

    I’m not gonna tell you what He said about Palin, but He is DEFINITELY not down with her witch-doctor church in Alaska or her exhortations of violence.

    And btw, I wasn’t trying to insult your feminist credentials – if anything, I was insulting Palin’s. What I WAS criticizing was your liberal use (pardon the pun) of words like “good,” “bad,” and “traitor” to describe people you don’t like. If you’re opposed to those who voted for healthcare, just calling them “bad” is meaningless (and lazy) unless you can explain WHY you don’t like them. And that entails having the knowledge to make a logical and coherent argument to back up your point.

    In other words, simply calling something “bad” or “good” doesn’t make it so; it just means that you either have a very limited vocabulary or a very limited worldview.

    PS – Jesus was a little coy about Rick Perry but I totes got the sense that He supported cutting Texas loose. Sometimes ya gotta sacrifice one to save the many…

  • Dot Parker

    “How is Sarah Palin any different from the founders of feminism?”

    Ummm … the suffragettes weren’t quitters or whiners?

  • Karen

    “the suffragettes weren’t quitters or whiners?”

    Neither is Sarah Palin. She simply chose a different tactic to pursue her political goals. She has her own PAC now, you know. The suffragettes also chose different tactics, quitting some things in favor of other things. Neither she nor the suffragettes were whiners.

  • jenniferintexas

    Dear Dot,

    Let’s lay it down girlfriend. Anyone who voted for that 2700 plus page piece of filth is bad because the bill is unconstitutional first and foremost. See, I read 1/4 of it and 3 other friends of mine read the other 3/4’s and we outlined it for each other and then discussed it so not only do I have the intellect I have the specific knowledge about that which I am speaking about. It is NOT a health care reform bill unless reform means:

    1) Money grab from seniors and we are talking about THEIR money (i.e. money that they have paid into a fund and that was supposed to be coming back to them);and

    2) Putting 30 million more people on medicare/medicaid is not going to help anyone. For example, the NYT (a bad newspaper because they do not print the news but merely lies to create the news they want to be news) even ran an article last week about how many doctors can no longer see patients that are LIFELONG patients because under Medicare they cannot afford to treat them because they lose money. So 30 million more on medicare/medicaid is NOT going to help the problem. Oh, and lets talk about the money to treat these people because we are on the brink of being behind a deficit so even if it was a good program we do not have the money at the moment to do it. But the point is moot since it is a flawed idea from the get go; and

    3) It also PUNISHES many who can afford health insurance but choose not the purchase it (and this is most likely unconstitutional). The bill has a graph and depending on what you make if you do not have health insurance the government now, thanks to this bill, can deduct anywhere between $750.00 and $3,750.00 a family depending on how much you make and how many children. Without court order. Just take it from your bank account. Is this the change you were hoping for?; and

    4) It also REWARDS health insurance companies who have not been behaving morally for years by forcing Americans to purchase health care instead of forcing health insurance companies to behave morally. Once again, is this the change you were hoping for?; and

    5) Now, when you sell your home you get to pay an extra 6% if it is your homestead, and an extra 10% if it is investment property. You may ask why this was in a health care reform bill, who the hell knows but it is. Once again, is this part of Mr. Obama’s “I will not raise taxes” promise-cum-lie you better damn well believe it is and, once again, is this the change you were hoping for; and

    6) The government has started a $14 BILLION (not million but BILLION) dollar pay down on people’s mortgages who bought too much house and/or lost their home. This includes paying down mortgages on people’s homes who took out home equity loans to pay off credit cards or gamble in Vegas or pay for prostitutes (i.e. who knows where the money went). This is in spite of the fact that the last Billion dollar pay down statistics showed that upwards of 90% of those people lost their homes anyway because there are NO NEW JOBS and they simply overspent. The reason this, cough cough, health care reform bill has this particular pork item in it is because what it is, actually, is a payback to the bankers and wall street for, cough cough, “donating” money to fund Obama’s stealing of the nomination. All these billions are really just payback to the banks because the people are going to–almost 90% based on the last go-round–going to lose their homes anyway. Once again, is this that hopey changey thing you were hoping for?;and

    I could go on and on but I think I have made my point. This bill is bad because of the above plus about 2000 other pages of pork as rotten as it gets, because it is unconstitutional, because it rewards the wrong people and it does not help the average American AND we cannot afford it even if it did. But it doesn’t. It also quadruples the size of the IRS and it is so poorly written most people cannot understand it. Bad bad bad bill.

    Finally Sarah Palin hasn’t whined a day in her life. She is a kick ass type of girl and had she been born during the time of suffragettes she would have been in the front line for sure. I think you must be speaking about all those other faux feminists out there…

    Oh, and as far as WWJD, he would vote Republican until every Democrat currently in office has to clean portolets as a career choice, and then he would vote Independent until only good people were politicians. He would also LOVE voting for women if they were the best candidates! Or so I have been told :)

  • lisa

    What makes health care reform such a big deal is not that it will simply change the insurance system, but the fact that it has brought to the fore the very question of what roll the government should play in our lives.

    It was thirty years ago that Ronald Regan proclaimed that “government was the problem” and issued in an era that slowly reduced the roll of government as the overseer of the public good.

    What followed was a massive shift of wealth to the wealthiest Americans,
    the wholesale destruction of the middle class, and the near collapse of the world economy.

    With all this in evidence, we still have not sufficiently countered the conservative stance that the government should have no roll in supporting the public good, but should exist only as entity to protect the rich.

    I AGREE WITH DOT 100% AND JEN IN TEX – You seem very hostile! Whatever flaws are in this bill, it addresses pre-existing conditions, provides for mandatory preventive care, and prevents insurers from cancellations. I would hope that both parties now work on the cost containment side of the equation but “doing nothing” was not an option.

    As far as Sarah Palin: Yes, I like the hopey change thing more than the “hateful fearmongering reloading BS she spews from her hole. And Ms. Texas- I guess you don’t know any working poor families – I don’t know how old you are and what “circles” you run in but I know plenty of families that are not out there buying shit vs. food. If you want specific facts and examples, I would be glad to share but I don’t think you give a S**t.

    And its not unconstitutional: Commerce Clause S.C. cases that date back 60 plus years. Afterall, if we didn’t have federal case law or federal statutes – you wouldn’t have Brown v. Board of Education (School Segregation case), The Civil Rights ACT, ADA,FMA, and other social legislation that provides baseline protections – is that the side of history you want to be on? Just saying.

  • lisa

    Here is Ms. Palin’s FACEBOOK ENTRY: This woman polarizes people and women – she is not someone to admire. If you want to admire someone, admire the 70 year old grandmother Nancy Pelosi who accomplished with Obama something that could not be done by prior administrations. Why glamorize hatemonger Palin?

    The Facebook entry goes like this ( http://www.facebook.com/notes/.....5184908434 ):

    To the teams that desire making it this far next year: Gear up! In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.

    Focus on the goal and fight for it. If the gate is closed, go over the fence. If the fence is too high, pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, parachute in. If the other side tries to push back, your attitude should be “go for it.” Get in their faces and argue with them. (Sound familiar?!) Every possession is a battle; you’ll only win the war if you’ve picked your battles wisely. No matter how tough it gets, never retreat, instead RELOAD!”

    THIS WOMEN IS CRAZY AND AN OPPORTUNISTIC EXAMPLE OF A PERSON THAT DOES NOT GET THE BIG PERSPECTIVE. SORRY GALS – JUST STATING THE FACTS.

  • jenniferintexas

    Lisa/Etc.,

    I was a social worker from the age of 10 through now….Volunteer in Service to America before law school, worked in Juv. Justice in chicago during law school years (in other words interned where you get no money and walked the streets in neighborhoods most of you wouldn’t dream of going–all gang, all black, very sad), and most of my friends are attorneys, socials workers, ex-social workers, therapists, etc., etc, so I speak from first hand experience and have 500 lifetimes of experiences through second hand information plus some.

    And yes, it is unconstitutional and has no bearing to the battle of Brown v. Board of Education. Forcing Americans to purchase health insurance is not in any way similar to, for example, states demanding that you purchase car insurance because you not having health insurance does not endanger public safety, etc., etc. And it is wholly unlike Brown and thus I cannot even discuss such a forced comparison.

    I do not think that anyone commenting here has read the bill, and I think you are hoping it is a good thing. Your animus toward me for waking you up with the facts is clearly what happens when shit hits the fan. You need to wake up now girls, because all I am telling you is the harsh bare FACTS of that bill. I hope that you take the time to read it–divide it up among 20 friends, for 100 friends, but once you read it you will understand how horrid it is.

    Finally, Sarah Palin is far from crazy. Once again, displaced anger is clearly evident. Her comment was referring to real hope and real change and the fact that while the fight may not be easy it is both necessary and it will be hard fought. This is the real one kids.

  • jenniferintexas

    why is my last comment “awaiting” confirmation??

  • jenniferintexas

    Lisa/Etc.,

    I was a social worker from the age of 10 through now….Volunteer in Service to America before law school, worked in Juv. Justice in chicago during law school years (in other words interned where you get no money and walked the streets in neighborhoods most of you wouldn’t dream of going–all gang, all black, very sad), and most of my friends are attorneys, socials workers, ex-social workers, therapists, etc., etc, so I speak from first hand experience and have 500 lifetimes of experiences through second hand information plus some.

    And yes, it is unconstitutional and has no bearing to the battle of Brown v. Board of Education. Forcing Americans to purchase health insurance is not in any way similar to, for example, states demanding that you purchase car insurance because you not having health insurance does not endanger public safety, etc., etc. And it is wholly unlike Brown and thus I cannot even discuss such a forced comparison.

    I do not think that anyone commenting here has read the bill, and I think you are hoping it is a good thing. Your animus toward me for waking you up with the facts is clearly what happens when shit hits the fan. You need to wake up now girls, because all I am telling you is the harsh bare FACTS of that bill. I hope that you take the time to read it–divide it up among 20 friends, for 100 friends, but once you read it you will understand how horrid it is.

    Finally, Sarah Palin is far from crazy. Once again, displaced anger is clearly evident. Her comment was referring to real hope and real change and the fact that while the fight may not be easy it is both necessary and it will be hard fought. This is the real one kids.

  • lisa

    “When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”…Sinclair Lewis

    The moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life – the children; those who are in the twilight of life – the elderly; and those who are in the shadows of life – the sick, the needy, and the handicapped.”

    -Hubert H. Humphrey on November 1, 1977

  • BevWKY

    THIS WOMEN IS CRAZY AND AN OPPORTUNISTIC EXAMPLE OF A PERSON THAT DOES NOT GET THE BIG PERSPECTIVE. SORRY GALS – JUST STATING THE FACTS.

    And what facts are those, exactly?

    That you don’t understand the comparisons that Palin was drawing between the language used all the time by both politicians and sports people?

    During the 2008 campaign, Obama himself used the phrase “you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight” but somehow no one started thinking he was crazy. Or inciting violence. Very strange.

  • jenniferintexas

    Lisa,

    Exactly, and this bill fails HORRIBLY to protect both children and seniors….

    READ THE BILL people. READ THE BILL.

  • lisa

    Jennifer – I have no animus towards you – you really think you are that important? You are just being called on your comments – no more no less.

    Sorry you can’t follow the logic: did you even read it correctly: I was not comparing the two – I was arguing for the validity of federal power.

    My point about Brown is that without the federal courts and federal law (talking to the 10th Amendment lovers here) we would not have desegregated schools. Without federal legislation – we would not have protections afforded under the Civil Rights Act, the ADA, the FMA and others. Dah?

    My point was that the federal government certaintly has the constitutional power to enact social legislation. Commerce Clause Cases and Supremacy Clause. So it is not unconstitutional. You went to law school – come on now

    Paternalistic laws promote the public good – such as seatbelts and mandatory insurance. Promoting the health and welfare of the public good – is constitutional – and this is a step in the right direction. Just a few days ago, Kathleen S. began writing regulations and called the health insurance cos. on disclaiming coverage on children – it moving in the right direction.

    What are you advocating: Doing Nothing like the GOP? What does Sarah think about health care reform? Seriously. Why not comment on the immediate positive impact it has that I mentioned above – got anything there for me.

    Finally – Palin’s FB Comments – is this all you got? You said:

    Her comment was referring to real hope and real change and the fact that while the fight may not be easy it is both necessary and it will be hard fought. This is the real one kids.

    What comic books do you read: Real Hope? Real change? Are you kidding me? Even if english was not my first language – how the hell did you get this out of her comment. Her comments are the rhetoric of violence spewed to the general public, many of which are ignorant and are capable of violence. So you are admiring her for this comment? You condone it? You don’t find it despicable – and you are a social worker. I think you are burned out and need a new job – if you believe this message is one of Hope. I feel sorry for your clients.

    BTW: I have credentials too – including my mother was a frontline Roe advocate, 15 years in CASA, my father was a public administrator of mental health funds for 20 years and I am a law school graduate and studied Catherine MacKinnon, Adriene Rich, Dworkin and others too.

    Why so infactuated with Palin – really – because she has a vagina? Do you really think women my age (50) with substance, education and experience think Palin is good for women? I will take Obama, Nancy, Michelle and the team anyday over a hatemonger animal shooting airhead.

  • lisa

    Hey Bev: your comment about Obama seems to be taken way out of context but it is certaintly not the rhetoric being spewed by Palin and the neos – is this all you got?

    It is important to know your audience – and Palin is doing just that: speaking to an audience that is racists, sexist, anti-gay, anti-humanistic – and you admire her?

    Why is Palin not using her own “voice” why use the voice of violence even if commonly used by the GOP and sport industry. I don’t buy it!

    And she is no role model: she is a quitter! This is not a different path: it was her path to make money while her 15 minutes still glowed. Women are not quitters? This is no role model for young women – like Michelle Bachman – they are not feminists or pro-privacy pro-women. Just because hse has a vagina doesn’t mean she “gets it.” She doesn’t!

  • BevWKY

    Hey Bev: your comment about Obama seems to be taken way out of context but it is certaintly not the rhetoric being spewed by Palin and the neos – is this all you got?

    Really? And you know this because you’re an expert on everything that both Palin and Obama have ever spoken?

    See, that’s the thing, I don’t claim to know everything that either have every spoken or written. For that, I’d have to look each instance up. So, if you or anyone else can find links I’d love to see them. Unfortunately, finding video links are not my forte and I freely admit that. The only reason I even know about that one is that I saw someone reference it during a discussion just a day or so ago on the very topic of “inciting violence” as something Obama had said, apparently more than once during the campaign. I’d assume the context would be the campaign itself. I could be wrong, though.

    I do, however, know enough about what Palin has said consistently over the last couple of years to know that you apparently know nothing about her “voice” other than what’s been fed to you by the media – that being whatever stereotypes they want to paint at the moment. So, it’s fairly clear you have no idea that she frequently makes reference to sports analogies in her speeches and posts, seeing as she is a very active, very sports-oriented person in real life. She was on a state championship high school basketball team. Google sports and reload and see how many hits you get. It’s a common sports term related to rebuilding teams between seasons. All types of sports teams.

    Another prime example of media misinformation – did anyone else know that the so-called crosshair targets on the map she posted on her Facebooks post that everyone in the media got so excited about are in reality surveyors marks? But, no, I haven’t even seen Fox News present this information that a school teacher found easily and showed in this article:
    . Frankly, when I say media, I’m talking about all of the mainstream, legacy, dinosaur whatever you want to call them. They all need to be watched – as in double-checked, not necessarily viewed or read – all the time nowadays. Because, see, I knew those things looked familiar and not like crosshairs the first time I saw them but even I fell for it the first few days and I’ve had drafting classes. It’s insidious what they do.

    It is important to know your audience – and Palin is doing just that: speaking to an audience that is racists, sexist, anti-gay, anti-humanistic – and you admire her?

    Exactly, what proof do you have that the audience she is speaking to is racist, sexist, anti-gay, anti-humanistic other than what certain decidedly biased segments of the media have told you that they are? Seriously?

    Her husband is a Native America – or is there only one “race” that counts? She has close friends that are gay – or does that not say anything to anyone? She is a strong woman who advocates for women’s rights across the board, all rights except for one particular thing – or does it only count when that one particular thing is championed?

    I could go on but I think many here will get my point.

    And she is no role model: she is a quitter! This is not a different path: it was her path to make money while her 15 minutes still glowed. Women are not quitters? This is no role model for young women – like Michelle Bachman – they are not feminists or pro-privacy pro-women. Just because hse has a vagina doesn’t mean she “gets it.” She doesn’t!

    Think so? Let’s see.

    It’s true, she resigned from the job of governor. I truly do not believe the state of Alaska is suffering because of that decision. Neither is her family. Would that other politicians in the same position followed her example and took the high road instead of coasting along on the people’s dime.

    Oh, but, what other politician has ever been put in her position exactly?

    And oddly enough, for all the digging to find something and it was certainly extensive, what scandal exactly forced her out of office again?

    See, most of politicians that resign are forced out of office but, yes, she left of her own free will to benefit the state and, yes, herself. This is a free country, after all. And she seems to be doing a pretty good job of making “quitting” work for her, too, and lasting quite a bit longer than 15 minutes. Oh, but nothing in that to look up to as a role model. Nope, nothing at all. Because apparently making money and name for yourself is a bad thing nowadays in America.

    Unless you’re crusading for causes that are important to those on the left.

    Odd that.

    Now what is it exactly that I don’t understand? Again, what you do not seem to understand is the difference between supporting and endorsing/promoting. Whether I ultimately endorse Palin or not remains to be seen because she isn’t running for anything yet. However, I thought this site was about fairly and consistently supporting women across the spectrum and that includes someone like Palin whether some like it or not. As far as I’m concerned the only way we can have fairness and equality is for the truth to be told on all sides, not just one version of the truth. Some of your comments about Palin are as sexist as you claim Palin and her supporters to be and yet you’re blind to it.

    Yes, it’s sexist to claim that because Palin resigned the governors job she’s a quitter. I say that because had a man done the same thing, I have to wonder that particular weapon would be lobbed with such frequency. Democrat or Republican, in the same situation Palin was in, would people be wondering if their career was automatically over?

    But instead, the focus is on her “15 minutes” of fame and her attempts to “become a celebrity”. Why? Would that be happening if she was a male politician in the same situation?

    It’s truly difficult to discuss because there honestly hasn’t ever been anyone in her position but I think we all suspect the answer and it speaks for itself. Which is why letting the media pundits lead us around by our noses is all the more dangerous with regards to someone like Palin. Disagree with her actual politics all you want but stop being divided by them before the battle is even fought on this. Or we all lose.

  • BevWKY

    Okay, can someone please clean up that link in the last comment? I have no idea what happened.

    Oh, and I found another one of interest which I’ll just add as is:
    http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647

  • lisa

    Pray tell Jen and Bev:

    Enlighten me: show me where Palin talks of hope? Go ahead – give me something to hand by bra on – p l e a s e. I’m waiting.

    Are you defending her FB post and manner of speech? Are you condoning it?

    Listen – I don’t know everything – hardly. But I was addressing Jennifers specific issues.

    OK you want me to believe that the majority of Palin’s base is not anti-privacy, anti-choice, pro-gay marriage and are not somewhat bigotted. She addresses TEA PARTY and ANTI CHOICE Groups – so I am not allowed to make the logical jump that her appeal is to mostly neocons and wingnuts.

    OK there may be some middle of the road conservative women – mostly young women based on my experience and research that admire her – because most of the older ladies that I know (over 55-90) have very different opinions of her.

    I come here to bring balance to this site which tends to thing only of VAGINA.

    I am a humanist. I love most liberal ideas because they are progressive, expansive, enlightened and non-conventional. Life is diverse – humans are diverse. Obama gets it! Palin – well show me what I am missing.

  • lisa

    Bev:

    please tell me what women’s right’s Sarah Palin supports. Give me links and quotes please – help me understand – teach me: I am all ears and eyes.

    And, why be coy – what is the one right she does not support: PRIVACY AND CHOICE. OH yes, I am suppose to put this aside like I am suppose to ignore her hateful rhetoric.

    As a daughter of a Roe frontliner, a CASA worker, and Clinic Escort – I think Ms. Palin’s stance on this RIGHT [that you could not even post] – says it all to this gal.

    Sorry New Agenda gals – this is a DEAL BREAKER not withstanding my other serious concerns for her and her so called “voice.”

    Again, if you have any quotes or links whereby she is being hopeful, positive, pragmatic, SHOW ME.

    And to both Bev and Jen: do you have insurance? just asking.

  • marille

    Hi Lisa, what a surprise you are all eye and ears to learn, when you write in the same paragraph that Roe is a dealbreaker for you and Sorry new agenda. I have to assume you are already gone and your eyes and ears are closed by now. you also write you like what our president says and greatly dislike everything about former governor Palin. how do you like that the president endorsed by planned parenthood and NARAL brought us the biggest defeat when it comes to reproductive rights for poor women and with the concience clause probably to a much larger group of women. do you know that catholic hospitals will not offer a rape victim the morning after pill? obama supports that practice with his presidential executive order. and this all in pretty much one year. in contrast, the governor has not in her two year office made any attempts to restrict reproductive rights.
    for quitting, you know sometimes one has a handicapped child and there was no previous knowledge. so it could happen to you. how would you like the media call your handicapped child a retard and worse and has him on the permanent joke page. I bet you would want to make a ton of money and hire all these great lawyers.

  • BevWKY

    OK you want me to believe that the majority of Palin’s base is not anti-privacy, anti-choice, pro-gay marriage and are not somewhat bigotted. She addresses TEA PARTY and ANTI CHOICE Groups – so I am not allowed to make the logical jump that her appeal is to mostly neocons and wingnuts.

    Lisa, since you sum people up in a list that consist of identities and then proceed to equate the Tea Pary group with one thing that the majority of the entire movement isn’t even concerned with… there’s truly no point in even continuing to discuss this with you because you won’t even hear what I or anyone else has to say. You’ve already made up your mind about Palin and everything else concerned with this. Your open mind speaks for itself.

  • lisa

    Marille:

    1. I still await any direct information on Palin that promotes families, is positive and provides a me with some insight – still waiting gals.

    2. Don’t you know that Palin threw her son under the bus when she let “Rush Limbaugh” use the same term? Hyprocrite! Shall I present the evidence here?

    3. This site does not give Obama and credit. Nor does it credit Michelle Obama for her goals for childrenhood obesity and armed service families. Nor does this site give Nancy Pelosi any credit for her historic role. No matter where you fall on the political/moral spectrum – Health Care Reform is historic and Obama and team are on the right side of history.

    4. This site criticize Obama and the bill – and ignore the basic protections that came out of the box: did you know that now my pro-life conservative breast cancer friend with the BRCA gene does not now have to be concerned that her 18 year old daughter can get tested without fear of being uninsured her entire life??? How is that for hitting home! Even a stopped clock is right 2x a day.

    5. Yes I hate that the Obama signed an executive order allowing HYDE to stand.
    Not happy at all – This is just the beginning. But overall we are moving in the right direction. I would gladly donate to a private fund for abortions for poor women – I have funded many in the past with my private funds to those in crisis.

    6. Up top – there NOW issued a press release on March 26th with its agenda to the President. READ. Its moving in the right direction again! Rome was not built in a day and the President is dealing with more issues in recent times. Be hopeful not critical.

    7. Why oh Why oh Why do you not understand why Privacy and Choice are dealbreakers and why Palin is a traitor to THIS GAL AND MANY LIKE HER? Yes I an open to listen – show me, tell me – I await – and my mind is never closed.

    8. Would Palin support gay marriage or at least equal economic protections under the law? Show me?

    9. Catholic Hospitals – does this surprise you? I don’t get your point? OK Status quo retained but don’t you think if he forced the catholic church and hospitals to give RU46 that the neocons, pro-life winghuts would crucify him for this. Thank god for PP Clinics – and access elsewhere. But don’t blame Obama for creating this BS it was the Catholics!

    10. I don’t need anyones money – I am self-sufficient that is why I consider myself lucky and wake up everyday humble – concerned for those less fortunate. Yes I am of a generation that access to education was feasible – and within financial reach. BTW the total bill and loans paid for this education (B.A. Law school) was over $150,000 – this was over 20 years ago – you do the math in today dollars.

    I am not only a champion of women’s reproductive rights but also for the working poor – I see daily how hard families are working. Funding college for many is out of the question – but they still have HOPE!

    11, Special Needs – my son was in 0-3 (federal) program, special education and still receives therapy – he is progressing extremely well. So I know much about autism, sensory problems and how special children learn quite different than other children – and I am a huge financial supporter of non-profits that provide services to families.

    Sarah through her child under the bus when she allowed Rush Limbaugh to use the word retarded – do you need the link, I will provide it to you. Double standard here.

    Again – lets not be coy: everything begins and ends with where you were born, to whom and when: once again, my mother and her generation fought hard for ROE and continued as a CASA worker and Clinic Esort – I hate sounding redudant but when you have these ROOTS you don’t EVER FORGET.

    I am still waiting to understand exactly what Palin stands for – perhaps I need to go on her FB and review her posts again – straight from her mouth. If any one you Palin lovers want to “educate me” please do – my mind is never closed it is just blunt. But give me facts ladies waiting . ….

  • jenniferintexas

    Lisa,

    If you think Mr. Obama is liberal, progressive, or supportive of women’s rights than it is you, not I, that needs to rethink her stance and rhetoric.

    Women who support Mr. Obama are their own worst enemies….where have you been the last year?????

    And yes and while I don’t have a fancy anything, go on vacations, or do other things I have health insurance.

  • jenniferintexas

    Oh, and Lisa go to law school and then we can discuss law. The federal government must have standing via the constitution and/or precedent based on the former to make laws….they cannot just be for the ‘good’ because, for example, Hitler’s ‘good’ wasn’t so good for the jews and the founding fathers wanted to prevent tryanny. Perhaps you should go back and re-read American History from the 4th grade on up AND read about Germany and Hitler too.

    You are very wrong about 99% of what you say and very biased such that you cannot hear or respond to anything that does not fit into your narrow definition of anything Mr. Obama says is good and does is good and anything Ms. Palin says is bad and does is bad. I pity you.

  • lisa

    Amy – what happened to my response I posted hours ago –

    Oh well snafu!

    All the Executive Order does is preserve Hyde – but Stupak did not get his language in it – so overall is preserves the status quo. NOW issued a press release on 3/26 and pledges to continue to work with the Obama Adminstration on initiatives outlined in the release – link is above.

    I was not pleased with the Executive Order but understand the pragmatic result for now – Push it forward please – keep moving forward.

    I am still waiting for some direct factual evidence of Palin’s hopeful message.
    I will not be holding my breathe!

    Marelle: didga know that Sarah did not get on Rush Limbaugh’s case for using the same word? Hypocrite.

    BTW My second son was in a 0-3 program and continues to receive services for sensory issues – so don’t lecture me about special need children – they are a gift. We all have life issues, experiences and credentials.

    Deal Breakers – it is incredible that you even question my baseline – and mind you this issue is not just about abortion – its about the feminist foundation of self determination. That is a pretty big thing to not agree with – it starts and ends with self-determination. What a generation gap here!

    I am more universal in my perspective – away from gender to humanism. Show me the universal humanistic side of Ms. Palin – I await your futher factual response.

  • lisa

    Jennifer

    ahhhh didga read my post – I went to law school. Dah. If the federal gov’t did not have the constitutional power – Medicaid and Medicare would be unconstitutional – and they are not. Didnt you study the commerce clause cases and progeny – this is pretty basic law school stuff here.

    Do you want to compare where we went to school next? give me a break girlie.
    You offer no substance to my posts or facts, quotes, articles, interviews on Palin to convince me that she is good for all women – sorry, facts are facts.

    Yes – attack me not my statements.

    Is that all you got – yawn . .. nighty night.

  • BevWKY

    Since this post started out talking about the list of incumbents that Gov. Palin decided to ask her followers to target, I thought it would be good to make sure everyone was up to date with another Facebook post where she talks about three she supports and hopes her followers will, too:

    http://www.facebook.com/note.p.....5469568434

    No, none of them are female but the last of the three, Lieutenant Colonel Allen West, is of particular interest because I’m curious as to how he fits with the racist meme about Palin and her followers. Just another one of those little oddities.

  • lisa

    What is Odd is that no one has yet to provide any direct or indirect Palin comments or stance that is hopeful, positive, progressive, expansive or humanistic.

    I will check out Lt. Colonel Allen West and link just for you Bev.

  • jenniferintexas

    Lisa,

    Why don’t you talk to the 15 State Attorneys suing on behalf of their constituents as well as any constitutional law professor worth his/her salt? I cannot argue with someone who doesn’t have basic understanding of why federal government has limitations on laws that can/cannot be passed…

    And as far as Sarah Palin being positive, she is plenty positive especially about that which matters right now. Getting RID of the politicians that are hurting 99% of Americans and getting some better ones elected.

    You can take your hopey changey feely good delusional dream-cum-nightmare someone else, because this girl doesn’t drink that kool aid.

  • lisa

    Jennifer –

    The AG of NV refuses to join the 15 states because the legal battle is a loser and lack of resources. Just because you say so doesn’t make it so – why don’t you respond with legal case law or statutes on my legal arguments.
    You don’t have any as all the constitutional scholars are stating – unless you are stuck in the 19th Century as a strict interpreter of the constitution – go have lunch with Clarence and preach to the hand.

    Dont’cha find it kinda funny that Palin endorses 3 military MEN – hahaha. Does she have any female recommendations – oh yes Michelle Bachman is already in!

    Yes -hope is good – change is life – and you want to slam me – wow: you are so constructive and helpful to the community. It boils down to people who live their life gratefully – expanding dreams to others and people who are negative, glass half empty whiners! And as I always ask my pro-life only in the uterus friends – how are you really impacted by a woman’s choice to have an abortion – or here – uninsured Americans access to safe health care – how? Show me the skin off your nose! Whine, cry, scream, wail, but where is the impact on your life? Talk about delusional – maybe you need to drink the kool-aid or whatever – perhaps you need to refreshment to refresh your long lost forgotten compassion buried somewhere deep down in you – too bad, too sad, girlie – we are moving on ….tee hee!

  • Loralee Lindquist

    Lisa,
    why are you posting on this site? You are clearly established in your support of Obama and the recently passed health care “reform” bill. While there are many women who visit this site that support those things, the purpose of this site is to unite women and men from any affiliation on issues that support progress for women. There are so many sites where the main focus is health care reform or Obama and support of both. I like the New Agenda because they keep all politicians in check to make sure that they are addressing the needs of 54% of their voting constituents (women). I, for one am unmoved by your arguments supporting Obama and I highly doubt that you have swayed anyone who didn’t agree with you to begin with. Obama’s record in supporting women and our rights is little better than George Bush’s. The message to Palin in this article was a reminder to support women who share HER ideals. Even if we don’t personally share her ideals, we can support her support of women. Which makes me wonder why you are on this site. And it makes me wonder how an article encouraging a woman politician to support other women turns into a tirade about how wonderful Obama is and how badly needed a reform bill (in any form) is.

    Do you really think a country where 52% of the population has less than 20% representation in it’s Congress is progressive?

    While it is true that Palin is no liberal (she never claimed to be) you asked for “proof” as to any sign that Palin has any “progressive” notions like support of Gays, women’s rights, etc. so I figured if you meant it, you may want to peruse these articles.

    This is a link about how Biden and Palin agree on gay rights and they also agree that NEITHER candidate (includes Obama) support changing marriage laws (to include gays).

    http://www.reuters.com/article.....2F20081003

    This is a link to an article where Palin, the first ever women Governor of Alaska, appointed the second woman ever to the supreme court in that state. The woman, a former board member of Planned Parenthood, was chosen over a more conservative “pro-life” male.

    http://themoderatevoice.com/26.....rd-member/

    This is a link to a Bloomberg article addressing Palin passing a tax on oil while Alaksa was at a budget surplus. Her reasoning was that the oil was a non-renewable natural resource that belonged to the people of Alaska that should go back to the people of Alaska. This resulted in a $1,200 increase in payouts to EVERY Alaskan resident (not just the destitute which may disappoint you. Take note at the bottom where it states that this is what Obama was proposing.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....refer=home

  • jenniferintexas

    Loralee–thank you for taking the time to do that (I have been working 18 hour days for about 3 weeks)

  • lisa

    Loralee:

    Ohh thanks for some links – appreciate that – will check it out.

    Well my dear, Amy and I know each other from another site.

    I check The new Agenda out from time to time. I really don’t find any of the posters arguments compelling just like Palin. Whoppie doo dah – its just an opinion.

    My posts are just that – blogging and calling YOUR POSTERS on their comments -otherwise why comment at all. Your bloggers push the subject out – why call me on it!

    So if I don’t agree with your unity proposition I am not suppose to post?

    Don’t answer: its a rhetorical question.

    Well embrace your voting vagina thing! Good luck you betcha!

    Now back to the real big gal sites! Amy take care!