December 9, 2008 / Uncategorized

It’s the system, stupid


James Carville is upset with The New Agenda.

“This New Agenda crowd need to get a new agenda, a new agenda of women that are losing their jobs, a new agenda of battered women and women that are victims of sex discrimination and not this kind of silliness,” he says.

This kind of silliness, of course, refers to Jon Favreau’s groping of a cardboard Hillary Clinton while his buddy forces a beer to her lips. Gee, what could that possibly have to do with discrimination against women and sexual violence?

Here’s a tip, Mr. Carville (and anyone else who can’t make the connection): sexism is a system. Women’s second-class status in society is a 24/7 deal, a full-time gig, an all-pervasive set of mores and assumptions. It’s interwoven into the very fabric of society, and every thread contributes to the pattern. It starts in the cradle and follows us to the grave; it harasses us at work and diminishes us at home. Mr. Carville wants The New Agenda to focus on sex-based discrimination — but why does this discrimination exist? He wants The New Agenda to worry about gendered violence — but why is gendered violence endemic?

Sexism is a deeply learned behavior with a thousand manifestations. You can’t quarantine the big pieces of it — rape, legal discrimination — as if they exist in a vacuum apart from the rest of society’s values. From frat boy joke to date rape, from gangsta rap to domestic violence, from pink housework toys at Wal-Mart to the boss who won’t promote a woman into top management, from “Math is hard” Barbie to the physics lab where men harass their female colleagues relentlessly, from Girls Gone Wild videos to the jury that acquits a rapist because the victim was wearing a short skirt — it’s a system. A giant, all-encompassing, self-reinforcing system.

No one thinks that Jon Favreau is personally responsible for crimes against women. What we think — what we know — is that his frat-boy grope is one lurid thread in a larger pattern. It’s symptomatic of a culture in which women are routinely sexualized, diminished, and harassed; a culture in which violence against women is normalized as mainstream fun; a culture in which powerful, accomplished women are ridiculed as b**ches and c**ts who just need a good f***ing.

Back in the early 1980s, I worked in an office where the male doyen still called the women “girls” and expected them to fetch his coffee. Like James Carville, this man refused to see a connection between his demeaning treatment of women — which he insisted was harmless — and “the important stuff,” such as unequal pay and job discrimination. Sure, women should have a fair chance at work and the same pay as men, he said, but what harm did it do for him to call the secretaries “girls” and have them fetch his coffee? He wasn’t hurting anybody. Focus on the important stuff!

It’s the age-old cry of the man who refuses to see that sexism isn’t just a series of incidents, but a systematic bias in which his own behavior is complicit. “Focus on the important stuff!” he says, by which he means the stuff he’s not doing.

Or as James Carville says, “The guy was just having a good time!… Is this really what we’re talking about?”

Why yes, Mr. Carville, it is. It’s the system, stupid.

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  • Watching these three men yuck it up felt like being in a college fraternity house. Such a lack of maturity. These are “allegedly” grown and professional men.

    Just shows the lack of fundamental understanding of this issue. We need to use Favreau for our own purposes – to educate the country on what this is and what it leads to.

    This will not be a simple task; but, we ain’t going nowhere!

  • Constance

    I read this on another site and I tend to agree. Someone needs to photo shop Carville and Favreau cardboard cutouts being sexually abused (obviously NOT by a beautiful woman) and mocked and send the pictures out into the vast internet. These dumb asses just don’t get it. The good news is you can bet Carvills wife and daughters ripped him and new a**hole when he got home. She is not exactly the shy retiring type.

  • Sis

    And those remarks about how he’d still be (sexually abusing) something, but not cardboard, no siree, when he’s 67. Har. Har.


  • John Horning

    The fact that someone dispatched Carville to attack TNA on CNN demonstrates that TNA’s voice is being heard. Good! Stay with the program.

    Perhaps another editorial addressing the fact that CNN chose three old men to discuss and laugh about it would be in order. The choice of commentators alone was out of line. Laughing about past wrongdoing was offensive.

  • BAC

    Excellent post, and right on the money!


  • Juliette

    Does James Carvel think that CNN’s Campbell Brown needs to get a New Agenda?

  • KayJL

    come on now, let’s be reasonable–getting drunk and groping cardboard breasts is important to some guys, and considering how upset he is over this, James is obviously one of them 🙂

    I also loved how both guys kept mentioning how talented Jon Favreau is, as though having talent somehow makes groping cardboard breasts okay. I guess if Jon had no talent, James and Kevin would have no problem with our objections.

    I also wonder if James’s take would have been the same if the photo had surfaced during the primaries, but I’m probably being cynical.

  • NIcely done Violet! It’s all of a piece. I’m astonished at Carville. Why would he stick his head up like that? What’s in it for him?

  • biteoftheweek

    The incident is not the real problem.

    The real problem is how it has been defended and condoned by both men and women in this country.

    Once again, we are left with the “boys will be boys” defense.

    It wasn’t that long ago when that was the defense for a group of teenage boys raping a retarded girl that they had lured into a basement.

  • Nan

    James Carville doesn’t eve make sense here – aside from the sexism. He says people who put ‘these things up on facebook or you tube’ need to get a life. Didn’t the groper post this – isn’t that part of the issue? That he did it and felt free (pun!) to brag and even publicize it.
    Send this young sexist pig packing. Amy and Violet – stay on it please! When Carville brays that the New Agrenda needs a new agenda I thought – great name recognition and hey – we have your attention! Great.
    Love the site – love the concepts. Please keep fighting for women, and for the respectful representation of women. Would they brush off someone portraying a photo of Obama eating watermelon, or some other ‘harmless’ racist image? No they would race toward cameras complaining and pointing out the importance of images, the subtle message of hate, the indignity…blah blah blah.
    Can this ‘brilliant’ guy. Let’s make this a win for us! Otherwise we have years of presidential messages filtered through this lens. Thanks, but no thanks.

  • Ali

    Hah! Thrilling that the New Agenda has so perturbed these blowhards! This is exactly how we know that TNA is getting their message heard. Understanding the message, well that’s the next step.

    Thank you!

  • Lisa

    “a culture in which violence against women is normalized as mainstream fun”

    ABSOLUTELY. This video enraged me. Haven’t we all been in a room just like this a million times with a group of good old boys while they laugh at us and tell us to get a sense of humor?

    Of course Jon F puts this up on his own Facebook account! He knows the score- he knows that a group of white guys will sit on TV and defend him and that women will just walk away from it- that’s what has happened for the past year.

    Well… they all need to wake up and make their own coffee. I don’t want to play nice anymore.

  • I have been wondering since I saw this segment: I wonder how many women were victims of Carville? He seems quite proud of the notion of groping women. I wonder what skeletons are buried in that closet. Does Carville have any daughters?

  • Ali

    Yeah, what skeletons does Carville have to justify through mockery? This makes me think of the date rapers that went to my college that victimized some of my friends. Now they are all grown up. I wonder how they feel about women, now? I’m sure they would think Carville is just hilarious!

  • Cynthia GA

    I love this article Violet! That is exactly the message we need to get across. It is a symptom of a sick system and this frat-boy’s so called talent is irrelevant. If this had been someone on McCain’s team I bet these people on the View and in the media would be responding differently. How about a little intellectual integrity Carville? This would get you at least a sensitivity class in the private sector. Why isn’t frat-boy being held to the same standard? Because it is easier to dismiss us as “shrill” screaming harpies than it is to address the problem and actually do the research to be able to speak about it intelligently. How about interviewing some domestic violence experts (like WE did) and see if they think this is an appropriate way to “have a good time.” In the words of my very smart husband when I asked him what he thought about this guy having the nerve to post these pictures, he said “forget posting them, what kind of jackass would take them in the first place?…what a tool.” Gee he didn’t even have to do any journalistic research to figure that out!

  • Absolutely outstanding post. I commend you on your insight that sexism is a system, cradle to grave. Every single thread of it needs to be deconstructed and I congratulate you on the job you are doing to try to accomplish that.

  • SantaFeK

    Superb post, Violet. What a bunch of silly boys these guys are justifying jerk behavior. hee hee ha ha ha Just having a good time. heh heh heh. “These people putting this stuff on Facebook are really sick people,” says Carville–That would be Favreau, right?

  • Kendall Johnson

    CNN just gets more sexist by the second! The deliberately didn’t put any women on the panel. As for James Carville, I guess he has to get back into the good graces of CNN by degrading women and Hillary Clinton. They are probably still angry at him for backing Clinton in the primary.

  • Zee

    Excellent post and fabulous comments, too.

    Kay, you are right to be cynical. Carville actually married Mary Matalin…a rightwing pundit…so you know that at some level they just consider their advocacy a “job.”

    And, Amy, they have two daughters.

    Greta, on Fox, has been doing some good work this political season.

    Maybe we could get her to convene an all-woman panel, including Mary Matalin, and a spokeswoman from The New Agenda.

    As pointed out over at TN Guerilla Women, this all-male panel Carville was on is not the first all-male panel the powers-that-be-TV have convened to comment on how sexism doesn’t exist!

  • Zee

    “They deliberately didn’t put any women on the panel. ”

    Exactly, Kendall! And it’s the third time this political season, by my count (there may have been more!).

    Tim Russert moderated one last spring before he died. And after all the male blowhards concluded that Hillary was not facing any sexism during the primary, Russert congratulated them on their “intelligent comments.”

    What is with them? Would they SHRIVEL if they included even one token female voice?

  • Cynthia Ruccia

    Violet——what a fabulous posting. Your vision is right on. We had our New Agenda meeting last night in Columbus, and I was taken aback at how disturbing this Favreau incident was to everyone. We spoke about many important and pressing issues, but none was more disquieting than this one. People were in total disbelief that Obama himself hadn’t made any effort to apologize. It is starting to dawn on many that the tin ear of the Obama campaign vis-a-vis women is for real and will continue on for the next 4 years. Our work has just begun. Amy—we are doing the right things on this one. We fight on!!!!!

  • Zee

    Paul Begala tells this wonderful story about James Carville. Begala was in the back seat of the Carvilles car listening to Mary (Matalin, his wife) and James argue nonstop. Carville was driving too fast and got pulled over by a state trooper. Mary and James kept arguing.

    The trooper said to James, “do you know your license has expired?”

    And James said he never got the renewal in the mail.

    Mary pipes up, “Oh, yes you did, don’t you remember? You said you didn’t have time for that nonsense and threw it away!

    James barks, “Mary, will you shut the f#@$ up!”

    The trooper says to Mary, “Ma’am, does he always speak to you this way?”

    And Mary chirps, “Oh no, officer. Only when he’s been drinking!”


    lololol! I want to hear from Mary Matalin on this issue!

  • Zee

    Thanks for the recap of the Ohio meeting, Cynthia!

    I’ve been curious.

  • Zee

    I can’t remember if anyone here has mentioned this article, but Dee Dee Myers over at Vanity Fair has weighed in on the picture:

    She also is not certain what his punishment should be, but she knows it should be very public and should come from Obama.

    (h/t TGW)

  • Cynthia GA

    I’m sure everyone else has already seen this but I just found it in our media link.


    I’m sending Andrew Breitbart an email right now to thank him for speaking up in an intelligent way about this, and also to thank him for doing his research and realizing that TNA is NOT the same as NOW. I appreciate that he didn’t dismiss us as “nags” or whiney loons like Carville, Limbaugh, and others. While we are letting Carville know what we think, don’t forget the positive feedback due Andrew Breitbart.

  • Thia, GA

    Very funny story!
    (I changed my posting name to avoid “Cynthia” confusion.)

  • Cynthia Ruccia

    Zee—I’ll be putting up a real recap of the meeting on the blog later today or tomorrow. Thia—-you’re too funny!!

  • Anna


    “…fascinating how people have to really be careful nowadays…”

    “…fascinating to see how stuff like that can get blown up…sign of the times…”
    Communication to Mr. Blitzer regarding his recent coverage of Jon Favreau with James Carville and Kevin Madden:

    Despite all of your “fascination”, you appeared to have little about how the main speechwriter for an incoming President could be found to be behaving in such a profoundly immature and sexist way and get away with it with little more than a private apology to Senator Clinton.

    In addition, is the main point that of making sure one is not caught doing something unsavory, or, in this case, is it the nature of what was done? You seem to be suggesting that the larger concern is ensuring one isn’t caught, not the issue at hand.

    Your comment about stuff like this getting blown up belittles the nature of Favreau’s actions. You’ve made a judgment call and it’s the wrong one. Those who are responding with outrage are not blowing anything up. We are responding to what occurred, taking it at face value, and we are disgusted.

    You appeared more concerned with how modern technology enables us, for better or for worse, to capture events and for them to be made public, than with the fact that the more troubling “sign of the times” is the persistent misogyny that appears readily accepted in many quarters of our society, thanks in part to the nature of coverage like yours.

    Would you have spoken with different words and with a different perspective if the cardboard cut out had been of Micelle Obama, or if the speechwriter and aid had been Republicans instead of Democrats? Based on prior CNN coverage, including your own, I would venture to guess that you would have been appropriately outraged if it had been Michelle Obama and would have skewered the men in question at the party.

    Perhaps the sign of the times is the ever-shrinking existence of journalistic integrity in the mainstream media.

  • Anna

    JAMES CARVILLE, CNN Political Correspondent and Democratic Strategist

    Communication to Mr. Carville regarding his recent appearance on CNN discussing Jon Favreau; responses are embedded after each of his comments:

    “IT’S A PIECE OF CARDBOARD, STUPID!” As a political correspondent on a major network, who exactly is it that you in this presumably dignified position are calling “stupid”? And, if the cardboard were an image of your wife or either of your daughters, would you feel the same? If that still doesn’t offend you enough, what if the men fondling the image were not talented young men, as you describe Mr. Favreau? What if they were ordinary Joe’s, perhaps less educated, or in somewhat dirty clothes? Perhaps not at a party with privileged folks, but in a barrio or a blue-collar neighborhood? Still just a piece of cardboard? No offense, Mr. Carville?

    “THIS GUY WAS JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME…HE DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG…DIDN’T DO ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE…” At what point would you say a “good time” ends and something “inappropriate” begins? Do you make any connection between those two points in time?

    “MR. FAVREAU IS A VERY TALENTED YOUNG MAN…” How are Mr. Favreau “talents” relevant to the matter?

    “REALLY SICK PEOPLE WHO PUT THIS STUFF UP…” Do you have mental health credentials or is this merely another judgment on your part? If the latter, then you may understand that for many women, we have made a judgment about the matter as well. You are no more an authority on any of these matters than anyone else. The only difference is that you are on television and have some notoriety. In fact, since you are a man, your word about what qualifies as offensive to women carries far less weight than what many women say is offensive to them. Have you ever given yourself permission to tell a black person when they tell you something is racist, that it is not?

    “…SEE NO REASON WHY FAVREAU EVEN HAD TO APOLOGIZE FOR FONDLING A PIECE OF CARDBOARD.” Do you grasp that for many women there is a direct connection to this act and the violence that is inflicted upon women every day? From your commentary, it would appear that you don’t grasp that, that you don’t take that seriously, that you minimize it and belittle it, even mock it. However, you are mocking the very group that has been offended. That is pure arrogance, Mr. Carville. That you then have the audacity to lecture what the real issues of concern are for women, ironically citing battered women as one of your three examples, is pure, lunacy. One might even say, “stupid.”

    Mr. Carville also:

    comments that he hopes that when he’s 67 he’ll be doing something like that.

    establishes what he thinks we should be concerned about regarding women’s issues, citing battered women as one of his three issues.

    wonders who a guy having a good time at a party has anything to do with….

    suggests those who post this photo on the Internet have severe mental problems

    and references his behaviors in his youth, suggesting they were far worse than Favreau’s, while appearing proud about all of it.

  • Anna

    KEVIN MADDEN, Republican Strategies (Romney campaign)

    Notes how we have to be careful in this information age whereby our actions can be caught, citing the hypothetical example of being caught jay-walking and having that made public.

    Mr. Madden, you missed the point. The point is not the pros and cons of this information age when private acts can be captured and be made public. The larger issue is what was captured in this case, who the person was, and the nature of the ensuing response.

    “Favreau is a talented guy.”

    Mr. Madden, what bearing does Mr. Favreau’s talents have on this issue?

  • TerryDo

    First Happy 4 month “The New Agenda”

    Mr. Carville wants The New Agenda to focus on sex-based discrimination — but why does this discrimination exist? He wants The New Agenda to worry about gendered violence — but why is gendered violence endemic ?

    Sex-based discrimination and gender violence go hand in hand.

    From what Mr. Carville deems as harmless ‘frat boys’ conduct by Jon Farveau is the first stepping stone that puts boys on the path of upping that conduct to violence.
    Sex based discrimination is like a stone stuck in the soul of mankind and it needs to be removed, as soon as yesterday.

    Why is gender violence an endemic disease. because ALL WOMEN have not raised their voices whenever they see it, if violence is done to one of us, it is done to all of us.

    Your new agenda has to include equal rights under the law, equal pay for equal work and it also needs to include a sacred vow in which all members have a one for all, and all for one philosophy, regarding womens political rights under the law.

    Just my two pet peeves (equal rights and pay) that NOW was not and will not ever accomplish,they have lost all their credibility..

  • Thia, GA


    Check out our goals tab and see what you think.

  • Sis

    Over at Obama’s website, they are asking for your questions on issues important to you. Any questions?

    Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:31 am EST
    Open for Questions
    Today, we’re rolling out a new feature that lets you ask the Transition team any questions you have about the issues that are important to you. read more…

  • Jeremy

    Sexism is certainly a disease, a nasty, disgusting disease that slowly rots you on the inside until your perspectives are too dulled by its influences for you to see beyond it.

    And I’m talking about what it does to men, since I can only speak from my experience.

    It pains me to see stories like this. As a man, I feel inherently divided in this discussion. On one hand, I feel an almost instinctual urge to defend my fellow man because I too feel urges that sometimes get the better of me. And yet, my education, my sense of right and wrong, and even my own, honest observations tell me that this is wrong, that this is a symptom of an even greater problem that continues to sweep through society even if many academics have long claimed to have shunned it. The fact is that we should know better. The fact is that I should know better. But…one learns that it is hard to fight the overwhelming influences of society.

    Sexism in America is similar to the double consciousness of the marginalized natives of the colonies of old. Trapped between the diminishing culture of their forefathers and the new, threatening culture of their imperialist overlords, the native people of the colonies felt like they were torn between worlds, between mindsets that were so markedly different that they were not compatible.

    That’s what it feels like to be a man and watch this kind of depravity. However, the mental conflict of the natives is reversed in our case. Men today still bear the influence of an older set of values that marginalized woman, a set of values that reinforced age-old patriarchal power relations. in the newer generations, this point of view collides with emerging tolerance, a new mindset that teaches respect instead of system of belittlement based on fear.

    If we can learn anything from this, it is that we cannot just rely on political leaders to pave the way for us. We live in an age where the double consciousness created by remnants of the ideology of sexism still remain in our culture, where women still earn less than men in their occupation. Political and legal actions are only a pain-killer for the true disease that continues to spread through the country. The true conflicts still take place in the heart, in the mind.

    What does this kind of display say about the mind of a person who will soon have a powerful position in the new president’s cabinet? Forgive me if this doesn’t reinforce my optimism for the future. Not today, anyway.

    (If the photo is real, which I should instinctively call into question, but that’s just me being finicky.)

    Anyway, I’ve just begun studying some feminist theory in literature. Although I have conflicting opinions about a lot of it, I’m always eager to learn when I can. It seems that the opinions at this site are fairly interesting, especially since they are being recognized.

  • TerryDo

    Thia, GA on December 10th, 2008 4:02 pm

    Check out our goals tab and see what you think.

    Hi Thia,
    I checked out The New Agenda’s goals and I agree with all of them except the heading of #5
    Reducing Domestic Violence
    The number of women in the U.S. killed by domestic violence from 2000 to 2006 is twice the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq during the same period………….

    For me I would like it to read:

    #5 Eradicating Domestic Violence

    Reducing domestic by 2% is no sufficient and to me neither is 60% because I believe 1% is far too much.
    I believe the only way to eradicate it, is to made a law which is enforced and which stipulates, that if a man is convicted of domestic violence he will be sent to jail, without probation for 3 years first offence, and 7 years second offense.

    I like your new website and I wish you all much success and I shall visit more often and blog with the Agendas.

    I am a member of PumaPac and hope that you will join and blog on that website also.

  • Thia, GA


    The picture is real. Favreau has acknowledged that. I also appreciate your honesty. As you can see from our blog, even women have different approaches, feelings, and responses to this issue. Please continue to share your feelings and thoughts here because open dialog and candor benefits all of us. Just as you can never really know what it is like to be a woman, we can never really know your experiences either. Sharing both benefits both.

  • Thia, GA


    Good point about #5. I think some of us are afraid to hope that big. It inspires me that you do. I will check out PumaPac.

  • Sis

    Can I get the cite for this? I can use it.

    The number of women in the U.S. killed by domestic violence from 2000 to 2006 is twice the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq during the same period…

  • The link is on our Goals page:

  • Sis

    Found it in Goals, under the masthead. Thanks.

  • Sis

    Thanks Vi. That’s an excellent resource.

    How ironic that this 16 day international campaign to draw attention to violence against women was marked by Favreau’s mockery of date rape:

    Vancouver Rape Relief

  • Kiuku

    What is with men who argue that the horrific crimes against women they do make other things ok or “silly” to talk about?

    This is a tactic I see used by men and misogynists frequently, especially in regard to “grey” rape, because taking a sexual assault seriously might diminish real rape where the guy jumps out from behind the bush and beats the married (to a white guy) or celibate virgin woman senseless.

    “Just what men do” is unacceptable. Humiliating a public figure, and humiliating women is unacceptable for any Politician who wants us to take him serious or respect him as a leader.

    Just because men do horrible things, does not make the lesser things that they do less offensive. If we give in on the “smaller” offenses, we give in on the larger ones and I’m not saying the humiliation of a public figure by simulated sexual assault is a little thing. We are outraged and we won’t be silenced.

    A ranting good ol’ boy’s appeal to “rationale” and “sanity” will not lessen our outrage.

  • Kiuku

    Calling us stupid won’t work either.

  • Sis

    Tangent, somewhat, but I hope TNA position is being made clear to Hillary Clinton. She did sting, true, but she did not come out with a clear, hard denunciation. If she should ever hire him I’d be very disappointed. As disappointed as I was with the second-wave feminists who rolled over for him.

  • Kiuku

    Hillary Clinton has to be graceful about it, because she is a Politician. We don’t, however, and we should be outraged when Miss America has higher standards than our President.

  • When will TNA stand uo and be infuriated over Carville and Favreau. When will this behavior stop. What’s the deal NA ? Our culture and society is breaking under this kind of sexism. Let the buck stop here.

  • Who said we are not infuriated. And who said we did not stand up.

    We are the only organization in this country that stood up and spoke out.

  • Yeah, I haven’t heard squat from NOW or the Women’s Media Center. The New Agenda is getting James Carville’s fire because they ARE standing up.

  • Elizabeth Plumley

    Thank you for being calm and literate. I have been over at Obama’s worship site spouting trash talk. I am so angry. I can feel being held down. I can smell the beer. Trapped in their intellect. They are unaware they are unsocialized. They do not know that their “blowing off steam” destroys our careers, our confidence, our lives. Who is Favreau’s accomplice? Why does Wolf Blitzer even have a job? Where does Campbell Brown get off blaming the victim? Have you read the other blogs? Professors, lawyers, businessmen, journalists (lol) bragging about hiring morons like these and how there is nobody else available to staff the labs, the boardrooms, the jobs, they take away from us and take for granted. Oh wait they just stole the presidency didn’t they. I guess they do get to do whatever they want to whomever. Oh I’m just gonna go eat a bullet. (Don’t worry, I’m just trying to channel my Obama emotions for today.) Maybe, I’ll throw up instead. Carville, that ****er wore PUMA shoes to the Convention. He was chumming the water, man. Goddess, I hate them all. Thank you especially, calm professor man. I am thankful there are a few human males like you out there.

  • James Carville is just your good old Southern boy. I say we all buy blow-up ugly dolls and mail them to him to keep him off the street.

    James is so behind the times that I almost feel sorry for him.
    Besides he is so ugly that he needs all the cardboard cut outs he can get. I bet his wife told him a few things when he got home.
    Maybe Mary M would like to join our group? .

  • JSF01

    They keep saying it was all just good fun, just a joke. I do not understand. If it was not meant to be degrading to Senator Clinton ,then what is so funny about it?

  • ER

    Here’s a good website that lists articles about Favreau and provide links to where you can comment for on each article:

    One good way to keep the pressure on.

  • Nancy Sherer

    This article is brilliant. I’m going to print it out and memorize it.